188 – VerySuperCool Tools After-Market Tablesaw Fence

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The guys over at VerySuperCool Tools recently gave me an opportunity to test out one of their new products: an after-market fence system. The great thing about this unit is that it works perfectly with existing Biesemeyer-style fences. So installation is as simple as dropping it on the rail and performing a standard fence calibration.

Why Should You Care?

So is it worth your time and money? Well, if you’re completely happy with your tablesaw fence then it might not be. But if you are having trouble keeping your fence aligned or you are frustrated by a wavy fence face, or maybe your fence is difficult to use with accessories, an after-market fence system like this one just might be the answer to your problems.

What I Like!

Bye Bye Wavy Fence!!
The stock fence on my Powermatic 2000 is pretty decent. It locks down accurately and dependably and never needs adjustment. I honestly don’t have much to complain about. But there is one little thing that does bother me, although it’s something of a “perfectionist” issue, and that is the waviness of the fence. The fence body is steel and the fence faces are made from UHMW plastic. The faces are held to the body of the fence using metal bolts and at every bolt location there’s a slight dip. This usually doesn’t present a real problem for me as rip cuts will simply glide along the high points. Cross-cuts are also unaffected since I typically reference from a short auxiliary fence. But I often think to myself how nice it would be to have a dead straight fence, and that’s what the VerySuperCool Tools fence gives me. The fence body is made from a 48″ piece of extruded aluminum which is not only perfectly straight, but also very lightweight. The fence extends well beyond the back of the saw and even gives me some extra reference surface in front of the table.

Accessorize!
Because the extruded aluminum is loaded up with t-tracks, you can do just about anything with some basic hardware. On a traditional fence, you usually have to design accessories that essentially straddle the wide fence body. This really adds an annoying level of complexity to the jig/fixture and prevents many of us from building the best accessories for the job. For instance, there are many times I could have made use of a tall auxiliary fence. Maybe I’m cutting a bevel on a table top or putting a groove into the end of a tall board. Thanks to a healthy dose of laziness, I either make the risky cut with my short fence or simply find an alternative way to do it. But as you’ll see in the video, you can make a nice tall auxiliary fence with a few bolts and a single scrap piece of plywood. Other things I’m looking forward to building are sacrificial fences and a short auxiliary fence for cross-cuts.

One of the owners of the company is Allan Little from AskWoodMan.com and he has a video that shows how you can make your own tenoning jig using this fence system. Now THAT’S an accessory! Check it out:

Bottom Line

This is a solid after-market fence that alleviates many, if not all, of the common problems we confront on traditional tablesaw fences. But there are two minor things that I actually don’t like about the fence. The first, as some of you might have already guessed, is the color. Nothing personal against you Packers fans out there but the green and yellow combination just isn’t working for me, haha. Yeah, 1st world problems and all that. The second minor issue has to do with the handle. My PM2000 handle is a thick tear-drop shape that is very comfortable in my palm. Even when putting a decent amount of downward pressure on the handle, it is never uncomfortable. The VerySuperCool Tools version features a small round plastic ball for a handle. While fully functional and just a minor detail, I do find it rather uncomfortable in use especially when making frequent adjustments.

While I wasn’t actively seeking out a new fence system, I was delighted with this upgrade. Even after doing a demonstration on the show, some products just don’t make it into my regular workflow. This product, however, certainly will. I plan on taking the time to make some accessories and jigs that will surely make shop life easier and safer. Go Packers (I guess)!

Categories: Reviews, Whisper Minis

Comments

  1. Lynn Kerby November 29, 2012

    I stumbled on the HOWTO build videos from askwoodman for this fence last weekend and really liked the setup. I haven’t checked into the production version, but now I might just have something new to add to the Christmas list.

  2. Thanks for sharing seems like a very nice up grade. I wonder if they get their extrusions from 80/20? I have bought a bunch of similar extrusions from them to build a ton of things including an auxiliary table for my horizontal mortiser.
    Cheers,
    Charlie

    •  

      That’s exactly who they get them from.

      • It never came to mind to use that stuff for this, glad to see someone taking it to the next
        level. I had to stop looking through the 80/20 catalog, I kept getting lost in there scheming
        of ways to use the stuff, very addictive if you have the creative bug.
        Cheers,
        Charlie

      • Rich Farwell December 4, 2012

        To save a little $$ you can buy an 8020 extrusion and attach it to your existing Biesemeyer style fence. Years ago, I bought a 3/4″thick by 4″ hi 8020 extrusion and attached it to my fence. I may have had to drill a couple of holes in the fence’s side to align with the extrusion, but it was pretty straight forward.

        BTW, you buy the extrusions by the lineal inch so you don’t have to buy more than you need. — http://www.8020.net Also they have an ebay store.

  3. eric November 29, 2012

    Does the square nylon washer that cushions the table from the fence get caught on the miter slots as you slide it back and forth?

  4. I like! I think I’ll try to modify my existing fence to add an extruded aluminum rail to both sides: on the left side for table saw cuts and on the right side for the router table.

    -Matt Gradwohl
    Upper Cut Woodworks

  5. Jason November 29, 2012

    That guy really needs to sharpen/replace his blade.

  6. Whit November 29, 2012

    Seems like the copied the feynce of the Incra for a Biesemeyer set up.

  7. Peter Durand November 29, 2012

    Thank you for that review. The Bies fence system is the one thing I do not like about the SawStop. Thanks to you I will soon have a decent fence for the saw.

    Man, between you and HalfInchShy, my Visa card gets no rest :-)

    Cheers,

    Peter

  8. Beechwood Chip November 29, 2012

    Having a T-track on top of the fence is really handy for mounting accessories like Board Buddies. But, it looked like this fence was a little too tall for the Board Buddies to reach the table. Can you comment? I haven’t seen your Board Buddies in a video in ages – I’m guessing that you can’t find them after so many moves.

    •  

      Yeah I don’t even know where they are. But I agree, looks like it might be a little tall for board buddies. But I don’t even know if I can test it since I stopped using them years ago.

      • Bob Roudman June 4, 2014

        Hi Marc,
        Is there a reason that you no longer use the “Board Buddies” hold down wheels? Do you mount hold “down” feather boards on the face of the fence instead?
        Thank you,
        Bob

  9. jim_ny November 29, 2012

    Very super cool review thats awesome and made in america by guys just like us just a good idea that they capitalized on. Thanks for sharing

  10. Jonathon November 29, 2012

    As a hobby woodworker I follow many of the woodworking blogs/vlogs. Glad to see mutual support from one to the other. Thanks for reviewing his product. I saw it introduced and was wondering if it was enough for people to get aboard. I believe I might order one myself. Thanks again for the review.

  11. Very nice setup! Are their any options to make this work on the smaller Delta T-2 (smaller version of Biesemeyer) rail system?

  12. A-man November 29, 2012

    Just Ordered a 48″ one for my Saw Stop! Talked to Allen great guy! then Called Jeff & ordered it. They are great!

  13. fence system, blah, blah, table saw, blah, blah, all I saw was all this wonderful open flooring that would be great for playing with my Hot Wheels. In another year or two you’ll have to watch your step. At least I assume you don’t go barefoot in the shop, so legos are not quite so dangerous as they are in the barefoot zones.

    As Tim Rousseau (FWW vids) would say, “don’t ask how I know this.”

    Seems like solid item, thanks for the early impressions overview.

  14. Adam Wachter November 29, 2012

    Great looking fence, but it would be better in NY Giants blue and red…

  15. MikeD November 30, 2012

    A few months ago, I bought the 48″ MagFence and attached it to my Biesmeyer fence. Has been working great.

  16. MikeD November 30, 2012

    Maybe it is only 36″. It is the universal base made by Magswitch.

  17. Chuck November 30, 2012

    Marc, do you think it would replace a good mortise jig?

  18. MikeD November 30, 2012

    Marc, you ever use or seen the Mortise Pal?I am considering one.

  19. Danny H. November 30, 2012

    I’ve been wanting to do this to my fence for a while now , so thanks for the idea pushing info. So why would I want to go and buy one of these when I can purchase the aluminum extrusion from 80/20 and attach it to my Biesemeyer ? Exactly what I’m going to do ! Delta also sells their fence rail that is similar to this, but them once again they are a little pricey for what they are. Thanks for sharing !

  20. Danny H. November 30, 2012

    And another thing, on Allans tenon cutting demonstration. The blade he’s using has to many teeth on it for this kind of cut. It doesn’t matter how sharp the blade is , with that many teeth performing that deep a cut in hard maple it will always burn. It’s also safer to clamp the piece he’s cutting, to the jig ,rather than hold it with his hand.

    • Bob December 1, 2012

      This is a good point. Tenon type cute (grain vertical/perpendicular to table top) re the most stressful to the saw. They should be made with a good rip blade. When I say most stressful, this was determined cutting the same board, same depth of cut, same blade and making a not through (vertically) cross cut, rip and vertical grain cut and measuring the amp draw on the saw. The vertical grain was the highest draw by far.

  21. MikeD November 30, 2012

    And he doesn’t have his shirt tucked in…..the nerve.

  22. Terry Grimes November 30, 2012

    Great video Marc, I’ve had my eye on this fence ever since you first mentioned it on WTOL but my 13 year old Delta Unisaw has a different rail. Going to have to dig deep to convert.
    About your minor (o.c.d.) problems with the color and shape of the knob, why not customize Wood Whisperer style with a simple paint job and a wooden tear-drop shaped handle?

    •  

      Well as far as the paint job goes, I’d have to look into a nice powder coat finish. I’d hate to have a crappy flaky paint job on that thing. But concerning the handle, that’s a really great idea. If I can match the threads, I might be able to do just that.

      • Greg Powers December 9, 2012

        Maybe you can turn a nice knob on the wood lathe made out of some nice hardwood?

  23. Jersey Jeff December 1, 2012

    Marc,

    My Delta contractor’s saw came with the old Unisaw fence system and a few years ago at a woodworker’s show I came across this: the Uni-T-Fence Table Saw Fence which is very similar to what you are taking about except that it was made for Delta saws. It was only $60 at the show and I figured I’d give it a shot. It was much cheaper than replacing both my fence and rails with a Biesemeyer style fence and rail.

    It’s been about 4 years since I did the simple swap out and I haven’t looked back for all the reasons you’ve pointed out. I can attach feather boards, board buddies and even home-made jigs with ease! I haven’t once put back on my old Unifence and wonder why I didn’t do this sooner.

    It’s a great solution for folks like Terry Grimes and I who have Delta equipment and don’t want the hassles of changing rails, etc.

    p.s. Insanely jealous of your new shop! ;-) Wish you the best of luck there and I’m glad you got your grove (or “wood” that be “dado” since you’re a woodworker?) back.

  24. Randy December 2, 2012

    Peachtree sells a retrofit for the Delta Unisaw, I purchaed one a while ago and it is great! Very similar to what you demo here.

  25. Randy December 2, 2012

    Oops, should have read Jersey Jeff’s post as well…

  26. Jason Jones December 3, 2012

    I think one of my favorite things about the fence is seeing that big ol’ American flag showing its made in the USA. Nice to see quality items proudly made here.

  27. Martin R. December 6, 2012

    Thanks Jersey Jeff! I’ve been bothered by my Unifence for too long. Marc, I would like to know what happened to your Incra fence; why haven’t you kept it on your saw as you were planing in a much earlier podcast you made (#30 Somebody feed me).

    • Jersey Jeff December 6, 2012

      Glad I could help! Took me a few years of seeing it at a woodworking show before I finally decided to buy it. I kept thinking, “do I really need to spend the money to buy another fence when the one I have works just fine?” But after using it the first few times, the only thing I regretted was taking so long to buy it. Just the ability to simply side on and lock down a feather board to hold stock down on the table was more than enough to justify the price. If you get it, I’m sure you won’t be sorry.

  28. John December 6, 2012

    Very cool system, they do not make for my tiny little saw in my tiny basement shop :) I do have some track material that I thought I could make something out of, now I know I can. Thanks

  29. Cordale December 6, 2012

    congrats marc on the new shop let your dreams wonder cant wiat to see the new projects to be made in this shop take care C.B

  30. Lois December 7, 2012

    a better mouse trap! When will I get an idea like that.

  31. John December 7, 2012

    I saw in some of your older videos that you had an INCRA fence system on your saw I was wondering whatever happened to it? How would you compare the new fence system from VSCtools to one from INCRA? I am wondering cause I am looking into upgrading my fence system.

  32. Dennis O'Rourke December 7, 2012

    I love the straightness of the fence in your video. i am now designing a “Homemade” table saw and was looking for a good straight fence. I just might try that one or design something similar.

  33. Peter Durand December 9, 2012

    Hello Marc,

    Well I got the new fence and am happy with it except for two things. The same ones that gave you concern. The knob and the paint.

    That knob has to go! Like you I found it quite uncomfortable. The are a number of places one can buy plastic knobs with threaded inserts but the thread does not fit any of them. Fortunately a friend is an excellent machinist and he told me he has some spare 1 inch aluminum rod on hand. It took him all of 10 minutes to make me a beautiful handle that fits. I tried finding a way to post a picture but couldn’t. If you want, write to me and I will send you a couple of pics as attachments.

    Paint wise, well it needs some refining. There are a few burst paint bubbles on it that scratched me. So I will be filing those down. Eventually I will find a way to remove the spray can paint job and have it powder coated.

    In the meantime I am pleased with it. Once aligned it stays that way. Rock solid. Now the fun part is adapting my jigs to make them quick attach and adjustable. Thanks again for bringing this product to our attention.

    Cheers,

    •  

      Glad i’m not crazy with my thoughts on the handle. Sounds like you came up with a good solution. And that’s disappointing to hear about the paint. I was under the impression that they were powder-coated. I didn’t have any bubbles or lift areas like you saw.

  34. rick Stewart December 10, 2012

    Hi Mark,
    Newbe needs tools, you have a great presance in the wood world. Thanks for the inspertion.
    Rick
    Phoenix Native 65 years

  35. rick Stewart December 10, 2012

    Hi Mark,
    Newbe needs tools, you have a great presance in the wood world. Thanks for the inspertion.
    Rick
    Phoenix Native 65 years

  36. rick Stewart December 10, 2012

    Hi Mark,
    Newbe needs tools, you have a great presance in the wood world. Thanks for the inspertion.
    Rick

    • rick Stewart December 10, 2012

      sorry for the duplicuts

  37. Tom Wilson December 10, 2012

    Thanks for the review, I have been wanting to replace the fence on my Rigid saw.

  38. Jon McGrath December 12, 2012

    Came back to look at this today, i normally have a 3/4 thick piece of UHMW plastic clamped to fence for sacrificial reasons and keep things smooth, however with the Christmas boxes in attic coming down and every horizontal surface invaded seems my slab of plastic got set over a 3/4 scrap and in disbelief it has bent it and 3 days now under weights it will not come back straight…This seems like a very good consistent solution. Thanks for the share

  39. connor dewald December 12, 2012

    HI MARK I LOVE YOU VIDEOS AND I THINK THAT THE FENCE IS A VERY BIG INOVATION IN ANY OF THE TASKS ON THE TABLE SAW
    I OPENED MY OWN WOODWORKING BUISNEES AND I AM ONLY 13 AND I WISH SOMEDAY I CAN BUILD THUINGS LIKE YOU

  40. Eric Stammers December 14, 2012

    Hi Marc, this is a very cool tool. Do they do them in different lengths? I only have a hybrid saw Bosch 10″.

    Eric

  41. Furbee December 16, 2012

    I still have the incra fence on my say with an overarm guard (after removing a finger). I like the fence due to the ability to use T track parts and and have made attachments that slide along the tracks keeping my remaining fingers far away. I don’t like the pain in the a** it is to switch to the other side of the blade. This looks like a good blend of both worlds.
    My saw had those crappy round rails so I have the square Incra rails now.

    Do you think the super cool fence will lock onto my Incra rails? If I understand the concept, the fence clamps the rails using a lever cam mechanism. If this is true, all I need is for the Incra rails to have the same width is the Bessemer rails. Can someone please measure the width of their Bessemer rail cross-section?

    Also, please enter me in the drawing.

  42. Ken Lakits December 17, 2012

    That is some good info, I’ll be taking a look at the web site today.
    Very interesting how that might replace some tools and jigs freeing up some much needed space.
    Ken

  43. Mark December 17, 2012

    Funny how color is such a killer. Of course it could be fixed with a rattle can (over an already tough powder coat), but after $270 bucks, I hate to fuss with something that’s brand new.

    DA Bears! :-)

  44. John Hall December 18, 2012

    It looks very interesting. I would be tempted but would like more information after you have had a chance to use it more. I would be interested in some follow up comments after you have really put it through its paces.

  45. Bob December 22, 2012

    I have a craftsman table saw and the fence with t-track rails.The fence seems straight, I have checked it multiple times. Is something like this necessary? Am I fooling myself thinking this is really straight?

  46. LeeRoy Hegwood December 22, 2012

    This looks like this too cool to be a tool will open all sorts of possibilities!!! I only hope the legal department from Biesemeye does not step in before we all get one!

  47. Don Markins December 24, 2012

    Just when I thought nothing could replace my Biesmeyer. Looks like the possibilities are endless.

  48. Marc, If you were to use hold down rollers for ripping does the front end of the fence have to be clamped down. My biesemeyer fence jumps up if not clamped. Is the fence the right height for the yellow and red roller wheels? You could use t-nuts to attach them to the fence–that would be cool.

  49. Mark Carlson January 1, 2013

    Looks like they now offer a fence that will fit most rail sizes.

  50. Ryan January 2, 2013

    Unfortunately, I have a Delta Unifence. The fence itself works well, but it can be really challenging making jigs that work with it. There’s an aluminum extruded replacement fence (similar to the VSCTools) that can be mounted on the fence body – it’s called Uni-T-Fence and it’s in the $90 price range. Wondering how it compares to the VSC fence… You still have the annoying fence body in the way, but it’s only $90 and gives you all the t-track you need to jig it up.

  51. Christopher January 4, 2013

    I was wonder what size planer you have a 15 or 20 inch?

  52. John Horgan January 6, 2013

    Still enjoy my incra.

  53. vadipaola February 6, 2013

    Hi,
    I’m just getting back into woodworking, purchased an older Delta Contractor Saw (previous owner bought it in 1984). It still have the pipe rails on it. I’m thinking about upgrading the rails and fence, this look good. Any advise for me?

    vin

  54. Brendan February 7, 2013

    Hi Marc

    that fence is great, but just as an aside, my Dewalt 745 portable site saw that I use in my workshop has an aluminium extruded fence with track slots as standard, is as flat as a pancake and is dead on accurate. Nothing new under the sun, eh?
    Best regards from the UK,
    Brendan.

  55. Fred Freitag IV, IV February 12, 2013

    I don’t want to be a voice of doom for the product but I think the whole thing is overly pricey and clearly unnecessary.

    First, you can use the Rockler universal clamps to easily attach t-track or other jigs to your fence. Those “universal clamps” can be used for alot of other things too – drill press, or router table (or just for router use), bandsaw, etc., etc., etc..

    Second, you can buy 80/20 aluminum extrusions off Ebay for $25.00 and attach that to your TS fence which is basically what this is.

    I think it’s extremely expensive for something easily made with inexpensive parts you can obtain elsewhere.

    I think they would have something if they would instead sell a product that can attach to your existing TS fence.

  56. Seumas McCombie February 12, 2013

    A sliding fence is an old technology, fix the fence and slide the table, it will never deviate from parallel, have use this since 1985 yes with t-slots

  57. Chet February 20, 2013

    Marc,

    This really reminds me of my Delta Unifence. It has two extruded aluminum options, one of them is very much like this.

    Great review, thanks.

  58. This is indeed very cool!

    • Ron August 14, 2013

      I have this fence system. It is better than Beismeyer by far. One problem to be aware of is that the fence extrusion is NOT flat across its’ width. On mine there is a 4 mil hump in the center of the extrusion. This is a common problem with extrusions unless specifically designed to be a fence, which this is not. This means that when you bolt on a plywood fence it will produce a “wavy” surface (depending on how tight and uniformly you adjust the screws). This also means the fence surface won’t be reliably square to the saw table, particularly for a tall fence. You can get around this problem by putting tape along the top and bottom of the extrusion surface (or on the back of your auxiliary fence) and it helps to not tighten the T bolts very much (just snug them up a bit). The extrusion is straight along it’s length by a mil or better, which is excellent, so when you don’t need an aux fence bolted on the fence it is great.

      • Jeremy September 27, 2013

        I had the same issue and it was a deal-breaker for me. Maybe I am being overly picky, but at $330 (T-Square, 48″ extrusion & shipping), I expected that a straight edge would not rock across the width. The extrusion was pretty good along most of it’s length, but in the last 6″ I could get a 0.008″ feeler gauge between the extrusion and my veritas straight edge. Very Super Cool Tools was good about it, Allan Little responded to my e-mail within minutes and talked to me on the phone. They are taking the items back and giving me a refund minus the original shipping costs (they are paying return shipping). That seemed fair.

  59. The fence is nice, but don’t seem like $250.00 nice.

  60. Joshua September 27, 2013

    Are you still using and enjoying this fence? Would you still recommend it for a saw with a Beismeyer style rail?

    •  

      Hey Josh. Take a look at our latest video and you’ll see the fence in use. I do still recommend it, with one caveat. Some folks are having issues with the lack of flatness in the extrusion. Not from front to back, but from top to bottom along the width. On mind, it’s actually concave, which doesn’t really present major issues. At least none that I can’t devise a workaround for (though I haven’t had to yet). But other folks are finding their fence bowed out at the middle, which would definitely be more problematic. So I may have to revise the writeup to reflect this new information.

      • Bob Blum (aka zaydie) December 17, 2013

        Hi Marc,
        I, after e-mailing you, I went ahead and bought the VSC T square and extrusion. I noted also that the extrusion was not completely flat in the short dimension. (about 4 thou off). I had a long talk with Allen Little and then contacted 80/20 the makers of the extrusion. They confirmed that with an extrusion of this type it is not possible to avoid crowning. After making several tests myself, I agreed that the fence was still accurate enough for cutting (ripping) anything under 8/4. I also found that by adding a piece of ultralite MDF and bolting it to the extrusion it is possible to get a perfectly flat and non wavy fence. I think that the extrusion system is worth the money in much of the work that I do. I also learned that you can by a 40-4084 “lite” extrusion from 80/20 on Amzon for about $46, should one want to give up the slots on the left side!
        Bob

  61. Gerry October 24, 2014

    I was wondering if that fence has the ability to adjust forward and back of the blade similar to what I understand rip saw fences can do in Europe. From what I understand that abilty helps to eliminate kickback since there would be no pinching of the wood between the blade and the fence if the fence has been positioned such that it does not extend much [past the front of the blade.

  62. Matthew November 8, 2014

    You should pull out the old powermatic lathe and whip up a nice handle for the fence so it’s more comfortable.

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